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Chart torquing

I’ve been doing a lot of electional astrology lately – more than usual. It’s a process that involves sitting for hours in front of Win*Star (I use Solar Fire for most things, but I prefer Win*Star’s rectification tool) toggling charts by an hour here, a minute there, trying to keep nasty planets out of the seventh house, a good relationship between rulers of the first and seventh houses, figuring out where to put that pesky Saturn/Uranus opposition, etc. It’s gotten to the point where I view every chart as an electional challenge. Yesterday I calculated the natal chart for a bride and when it came up on my screen I instinctively lunged for the “rectify” button, eager to move her natal Saturn out of the seventh house. Which I suspect she would have appreciated, actually.

Wouldn’t it be fantastic if we could torque our natal charts to correct nasty placements? Though I’m sure my natal chart is chock full of necessary karmic lessons and so forth, if given the chance I’d definitely move Saturn out of my 2nd house, where it’s plagued me with overwhelming insecurity; and Mars/Pluto away from Midheaven, which I believe symbolizes my unique ability to anger people to the point of insanity. And I’d probably try to do something about that Virgo Midheaven, too; although I share this noble placement with the likes of Steven Forrest and Elvis, my Leo Sun occasionally bristles under Virgo’s insistence on humility and modesty.

Chart torquing is, I suppose, what we attempt to do when we relocate natal charts for different locations to see how we might like the astral weather there. (To calculate your chart for a location different from your birthplace, just enter your natal birth date and time, but the time zone and coordinates for the new city.) Occasionally, forces beyond our control relocate our charts for us, and we end up in places we never would have chosen on our own. In Southern California, where I’ve lived most of my life, I do have the Sun conjunct a rock-star Leo midheaven, Saturn in the 3rd instead of the 2nd, and Mars/Pluto a good distance from the Midheaven. But there are always trade-offs. I’ve also got a Scorpio ascendant instead of happy-go-lucky Sagittarius rising, the Moon in the brooding 8th instead of the cooperative 7th, and Neptune awfully close to the Ascendant (apparently rendering me invisible when I walk into a store and require service). Not sure I’d have chosen those. And in fact, I didn’t choose to come here. I have, however, chosen to stay for 37 years so far.

If you could torque your chart, how would you rearrange things?

14 comments to " Chart torquing "

  • Sheris White

    I certainly wouldn’t have saturn in Pices in the 12th opposite my sun and neptune! The sabian symbol for that saturn is “a table set for an evening meal”,

  • Saturn squares most of my chart, it seems. I’d uh, take some of those the hell out. And move my Sun and Chiron off the descendant and move them away from each other. Maybe put the Sun somewhere else like the 8th or 10th house.

  • Eme

    I would eliminate that horrid Moon/Venus/Pluto t-square–it dominates most of my chart, since it also involves my nodes and Pluto forms a wide conjunction with Jupiter and Uranus. People keep telling me it’s supposed to lead to great rewards but so far it’s been hideously heart-breaking, maybe bc my Venus is extremely stressed without a single positive aspect to it.

    My Sun/Saturn square is cool, though. Yes, it was tough and it took me a while to get a handle on it but I can definitely see the positives.

  • Oh, well if we’re changing aspects and everything – I’m not enjoying my Moon/Pluto square even after all these years. Anyone want that? Anyone? Bueller?

    Eme, Moon/Venus/Pluto sounds heinous and you have my sympathies. I’m actually a big fan of Saturn myself (although I resent his buzzkilling attributes in my second house), so I can see how Saturn/Sun could conceivably be character-building and all that. Though apparently Sheris has a different story to tell.

    Jennifer, I’m surprised to hear you say you’d move your Sun off the descendant! Tell more. I would have thought that would have its advantages (but admittedly I speak with a Moon in the 7th house bias). I can see wanting an amicable split between Sun/Chiron though.

  • Eme

    Hmm, I think the difference between having an easier handle on tough aspects and hating them outright is related to whether or not those tough aspects are connected to positive ones. To make it clearer: My Sun/Saturn square is also connected to my grand fire trine (which is also connected to my Chiron conjunct the MC and as a Leo, I like that Chiron/MC conjunction. I can see how it’s going to be useful some day). But if I had nothing but squares to Saturn, that would be very tough indeed. I’d probably be able to handle my heinous t-square if that stressed little Venus had at least a sextile. But, alas, I don’t. I always joke that I must’ve been Henry VIII in a past life, to get that Venus in this one. But then, maybe the lesson of that Venus IS to give up. “Stop trying so hard to get love. Just stop. Do nothing.”

    Now that you mention it, lately, I’ve been curious about how best to handle (or maybe just endure) an afflicted planet that doesn’t have any positive aspects. Bc I find that a lot of New Age and astrology teachers talk as if the only way to learn anything is through pain and hardship. I think pain has its place in learning but I don’t think that it’s the only way. When I was a child, I learned a lot more from Jupiterian figures and approaches than I did from the Saturnian ones. Those who made me feel positive and happy and optimistic and genuinely curious about learning were better teachers; their lessons keep me company when I feel down. So one of the things that gets me downright pissed about this philosophy is the idea there’s only one way to learn and it’s mostly through pain. Sometimes too much pain just makes people want to give up and many do. I believe in eating your veggies, yes, but I also believe in indulging in chocolate cake every once in a while.

  • My Moon would love to be aspected. Any volunteers?

  • Eme

    Why? What happens when a planet is unaspected?

  • Eme, you make an excellent point about helpful aspects to tortured planets. My own Moon/Pluto, though square each other, make nice aspects to other planets, and I’m sure that helps a lot.

    I think my own relationship with positivity and pain is summed up in my natal Jupiter/Saturn conjunction. I’ve been blessed to have wise elders in my life who have embodied both – inspiring and validating, yet holding me to a very high standard and not hesitating to call me out when I fall short. I suppose it’s why I like Saturn more than some people do, and don’t necessarily regard Jupiter as such a good-natured, generous uncle.

    I’ll let Jeffrey respond to the unaspected planet question if he’s inclined. Not having that particular situation in my own chart, I can only conjecture. (What degree is that Moon, Jeff? I’ll lend you my Jupiter in Aquarius if you want. But you gotta take Saturn too!)

  • I don’t think there’s anything that can be done with my chart, frankly. That unaspected, retrograde Venus in Virgo is a cross to bear wherever I put it. ::sigh::

  • Ellen

    When I moved from the East coast, where I was born and lived most of my life, my life began to change. I wound up in Tucson, where a four-planet stellium in Cancer that includes my Sun shifted from the natal 12th house to the relocated first.
    The changes I have experienced in the three years since I got here are a long story, but they can pretty much be summed up by the idea of bringing a lot of baggage into the light of awareness.

  • I will say that an unaspected Venus has got nothin’ on an unaspected Moon. That’s gotta hoit!

  • Michelle

    I would elect to have my Neptune in the 3rd House go elsewhere…for it seems I can’t remember anything. I literally (figuratively speaking of course) can see details fading away and there’s no drugs or alcohol involved! Plus I have Mercury in Aries, so in 5 minutes — sometimes less, it’s all gone. But then, if Neptune moved, I’d lose my access to such wonderful imagination. And besides, I have my Moon in Cancer and Virgo Ascendent there to help me –to remember hurt feelings if nothing else… 😉

  • I’d like to shift my Chiron which is on the 7th cusp (and opposing my Moon) out of there, maybe far back into the 6th where he should be happy and productive. My Sun square Saturn is probably okay, at least now that I’m older, but not so great with Saturn on my 5th house cusp besides. Not real fun.

  • Jennifer

    I would elect to change my 3rd house Neptune as well. It squares a 12th house stellium of the Sun, Saturn and Jupiter. I get so tired of having clarity in my mind and imagination, only to have some debris come along and scatter everything around so I have to put the puzzle back together. I just want to live my life inside the fluidity which I naturally follow on my own. But for some reason everyone wants to tell me that’s wrong and that I must have some sort of mental illness.

    Peace

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