Episode 254 | Podathon Day Five: Pluto in Sagittarius, with Anna Hull! (9.6.24)
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Announcer: It’s Podathon Week on the Big Sky Astrology Podcast, and for five big days in a row, we’re bringing you special episodes that put the fun in fundraising. Including the week’s planetary news, a closer look at the Moon, and special Podathon surprises. Plus, your chance to win prizes, people! So many prizes!
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April: Hello Invisible Friend, April here, and the date today is September 6th, 2024. Welcome to Episode 254 of the Big Sky Astrology Podcast and the final day of the 5th Annual Big Sky Astrology Podathon.
What is a Podathon you might ask? This is the week each year when I bring you 5 daily episodes complete with the big astrological news of the week. And, this year, with interviews from five wonderful astrologers of different Pluto generations, I hope that you’ve been inspired to tune in all this week to hear each of these fascinating conversations.
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And now for today’s episode.
In this week’s special daily episodes, I’m covering the week’s major astrological news, along with lunar happenings, and an interview with a fellow astrologer, each born during a different Pluto generation. Today, I’m featuring a conversation with astrologer Anna Hall, who’s representing the Pluto in Sagittarius generation.
But first, let’s take a look at today’s planetary news.
Today’s Moon
It begins with the Moon report. Today, the Moon in Libra makes a trine aspect to Jupiter at 1:08 am, sextiles Mercury at 4:10 pm, and goes Void-of-Course on a square to Pluto at 10:08 pm It’s Void-of-Course for about 10 minutes before it enters Scorpio at 10:18 pm.
The Moon in an aspect with Jupiter, which is very early this morning West Coast time, fills us with a general sense of optimism. It’s a terrific day to schedule things that have been feeling difficult or heavy because it’s very likely that you’ll have a sense of expansiveness and what I would call a “can-do” spirit on this day.
The Moon sextile to Mercury in the afternoon is a good aspect for meetings of any kind. Because somehow, you’re able to more easily express what you’re really thinking and more importantly what you’re really feeling.
Void-of-Course Moon
A Void-of-Course Moon that begins on a square aspect, and in particular a square to Pluto at 10:08 pm is a challenging Void-of-Course period, but this one goes very quickly. So, the most that we can really do for this Void-of-Course Moon period is to revisit, reexamine, and hopefully repair some of our instinctive emotional patterns related to feeling powerless, feeling controlled, and feeling generally as though we’re overwhelmed by our feelings.
Then the Moon goes into Scorpio, and that has a little bit of a similar feeling as Pluto. So the Moon’s two-day period in Scorpio is another one where we’ll be giving a lot of thought to our emotional impulses and how we can communicate them in the most honest way possible.
Mercury square Uranus (Sep. 6, 9:20 pm PDT)
Also, this evening at 9:20 p.m. Pacific Time, Mercury in Leo squares Uranus, and this is an aspect that works a little bit like Mercury retrograde. So, no sooner have we gotten out of that retrograde than now we’re having this little aspect with Uranus. It is a much shorter influence, however. Really, we’ll be feeling that today, maybe a little bit into tomorrow. And it just means that Mercury things can proceed in a somewhat unexpected, even aggravating way. So, we could have problems with our computers, our phones, our cars, and communications might not go as smoothly as we might like.
On the plus side, any kind of aspect between Mercury and Uranus can lead to breakthroughs of inspiration. So, if you have been working hard on a creative project or trying to get on the same page as somebody in your life, this is the kind of day that could bring a breakthrough in that regard. And it’s that you suddenly have an inspiration or a new idea of how to do things can pop into your head.
Sun opposed Saturn (Sep. 7, 9:35 pm PDT)
Now, because I’m not doing episodes for the weekend, I wanted to touch on a couple of important transits that are ahead of us on Saturday and Sunday.
The Sun makes its exact opposition to Saturn on September 7th at 9:35 pm. That’s a very appropriate aspect for Saturn’s day. This is the one I alluded to early in the week when I said the entire week would be carrying a little bit of the feeling of the Sun getting ready to face off with Saturn, and that although we could be productive and get things done, it would probably take a little more effort than usual.
After the exact aspect at 9:35 p.m. on Saturday, I think things will begin to loosen up and we won’t feel quite as blocked or restricted as we may have been feeling for the rest of the week.
Mercury enters Virgo (Sep. 8, 11:50 pm PDT)
And on September 8th, Mercury enters Virgo at 11:50 p.m. Pacific Time. Now that Mercury has gone direct after its trying retrograde, and it has finished up its time in Leo, it now enters one of its very strongest signs, Virgo. It’s in this sign through September 26th, when it goes into Libra.
While Mercury is strong by sign, and particularly in the very practical sign of Virgo, it’s an excellent time to approach any matters that require analytical thought, troubleshooting, and organization.
If you’ve been waiting for a moment to organize your office, here is your opportunity. If you have been trying to sort out issue with paperwork, with banking, with your accounting, this is the time to dig into any of those kinds of problems. Because it will be a lot easier to get them straightened out.
The Pluto in Sagittarius Generation
As you know, this week, I’m featuring interviews with astrologers from each of the Pluto generations that are currently in practice. Be sure to listen back to this week’s previous interviews with Pluto in Leo astrologer, Linea Van Horn, Pluto in Virgo astrologer, Armand Diaz, Pluto in Libra astrologer Kirsten Vassgaard and Pluto in Scorpio astrologer Gwen Yi.
Today’s interview will be of particular interest to you if you were born as part of the Pluto in Sagittarius generation between January 17th, 1995 and November 26th, 2008. During that time, Pluto retrograded into Scorpio between April 20th and November 10th, 1995. It also peeked ahead into Capricorn from January 25th to June 13th, 2008. And it left Sagittarius for good on November 26, 2008. Overall, Pluto was in Sagittarius for a little over 12.9 years.
Those born between 1995 and 2008 are typically considered to be part of Generation Z. This generation is characterized by growing up with the internet, smartphones, and social media. They value diversity, inclusivity, and social justice, place a high value on education, are natural entrepreneurs, and are tuned in to environmental concerns, including sustainability, climate change, and responsible consumption. They’re concerned with mental health awareness. They take a global outlook, prefer digital communication, are financially pragmatic, innovative, and political and social activists.
All of which I discuss in today’s interview with Pluto in Sagittarius astrologer, Anna Hull.
Interview with Anna Hull
My Pluto in Sagittarius guest today is Anna Hull. And Anna is a professional astrologer, yoga teacher, and cosmic alignment coach. She combines her passions of astrology, yoga, and meditation to provide practical ways for people to embody the cosmos. Anna’s love for the moon has inspired her to focus her work on the nuances of lunar phases. Through this process, she helps her clients find sustainable growth and productivity in their personal and professional lives by tapping into a more connected cosmic rhythm. She’s currently offering private astrology readings, lunar workshops, and a weekly virtual astrology and yoga class. You can learn more about Anna and her work at AnnaHull.com. Anna, welcome.
Anna: Thank you for having me, April.
April: So, what do you feel characterizes your Pluto in Sagittarius generation, especially when it comes to people practicing astrology?
Anna: Yeah, I’ve kind of been pondering on this since you reached out and you know, I am right on that cusp of… being 1996… So, the very beginning of this Pluto in Sag generation.
And when I think about Pluto being this kind of planet of power for a generation, for the collective, in Sagittarius, to my mind, I really visualize expansion and this kind of bigger philosophical curiosity. And I see that with astrologers in this generation, of maybe not so much trying to find the answers or using astrology as very prescriptive, “this is when this is going to happen,” or maybe predictive but really using the qualities of astrology, the nuance, the energy, the characteristics to put together a story, a narrative, a framework to understand what is going on.
I think we’re also a generation, Pluto in Sag, that has experienced a lot of large-scale destabilization in the collective from a very young age. And we’ve had to kind of find ground beneath us in very unique ways, I think. Not looking for the end-all, be-all answer, but using the information as adaptable and useful. Really energetic work that kind of speaks to our curiosities and our ability to expand, push the boundaries a little bit, and take risks as well.
April: That sounds all very Sagittarian, doesn’t it? I do think of that as the storyteller sign, the one that helps us place ourselves in a helpful context and put ourselves as the hero in our own story and figure out what that story is.
Anna: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
April: What do you think is really different between the Pluto… ‘cause you’re straddling the line as you said between Pluto in Scorpio and Pluto in Sag, what do you think is the big tonal change that we’ll see between those two generations?
Anna: You know, I, when I think of this archetypal difference of moving from Scorpio to Sagittarius, Scorpio does a lot of work in revealing the shadows, digging into that more secretive, less well-known place that is more vulnerable, more taboo, and I think that generation and astrologers in that generation have done a lot of really great work of bringing those topics, especially within astrology, more to the forefront and to the popular eye.
I think it’s why we’re seeing astrology kind of really take off right now, is there’s been a lot of work from astrologers in that generation to normalize things that were not accepted before. And now with my generation taking those shadows, that depth, that intensity and bringing it to the light and making it not so scary, not so heavy, bringing a lighter tone and the truth of it and really shouting it from the rooftops, making it not so secretive, but really expanding on it.
The depth of Scorpio and the expansion of Sagittarius is a really beautiful throughline. I think that we can take the work that has been done from the generation before us and keep pushing and keep making sure that it’s staying at the forefront and it’s receiving the light that it deserves.
April: I really liked the way you said that. And I do always think that about the transition between Scorpio and Sagittarius or even between the 8th house and the 9th house, which is in the eighth house or in the Scorpio experience, we look at everything, including the stuff that it’s very scary to look at, and then when we move on into the Sagittarius experience, we make sense of it, and we turn it into a creed, a life approach. So it’s interesting to hear you describe it that way.
What do you think your generation is going to bring to the field? What are the kinds of techniques or schools of astrology that you’re seeing as very popular among your generation?
Anna: It’s hard because I am so at the beginning of this generation, it’s hard for me to see, you know. And Pluto in Sag astrologers are really young too, you know, and still kind of coming up and finding their voice.
I think from my perspective, I’m seeing a lot of curiosity and creativity within the field of astrology, and it’s not so black and white. Because astrology is so much more popular and widely accessed now, a lot more people, I think, identify as astrologers than have in the past. I think the Pluto and Sagittarius generation, you don’t have to be a formally educated astrologer to have a really in-depth knowledge and be able to track transits and know progressions and kind of have a really… I’ve had conversations with people who are not astrologers and I’m like, oh wow, this is a really actually in-depth astrological conversation.
So, the information, right, our generation really came up deeply in the internet and we didn’t have to search so hard and have one teacher. We have this kind of gift of being able to pull information from a wide array of teachers, of schools of thought, and really kind of combine astrology in a way that is really nuanced and kind of niche, in a way. Where I see a lot of astrologers in my generation using the practice in a very specific way, whether it’s for dating and relationships or career, using astrology not as this kind of overarching umbrella, but as this kind of energetic base or support for other work that they want to do, which is something that I do within my work.
I use astrology as a base for my energy work and for meditation and for yoga as kind of this framework, so that it’s not so, like I mentioned earlier, prescriptive or predictive, but it’s a layer that you can bring into whatever practice, whatever modality that you are using. And astrology kind of informs that, because I think people now have, like I said, more access, more of an already baseline higher understanding of what astrology is.
People know what their “big three” is pretty off the bat now. It’s easier to dive deeper, faster, and it’s more a part of the kind of popular conversation for younger people.
April: Yeah. Astrological literacy has just exploded, and I see it in my clientele as well. There are huge gaps sometimes in that knowledge because that’s always the danger of being self-taught – and I was self-taught as well in the beginning – is that you tend to sometimes gloss over the things that aren’t personally relevant to you.
Anna: Right, right, right.
April: But at least as regards their charts and their life experience, certainly. I can talk about the Saturn return. I can talk about the lunar phases, and people have a pretty good grasp of that.
I was noticing when I was in search of a Pluto in Sagittarius astrologer, I did find there was less just, “I am an astrologer,” and as you do, the combination of several different disciplines, several different hyphens, you know, I do this, this, and this. Which feels right for Pluto in Sagittarius, I think, because, as you say, of that curiosity.
I know I was speaking to an astrologer who said that they were a little bit concerned that Sagittarius can go one of two ways. It can be very open and very curious and very exploratory. But there is that shadow side of Sagittarius too, that can fall into the pattern of, oh, I already know everything. You don’t need to teach me, you know?
Anna: And I think too, kind of the shadow and the light side of Sagittarius does feel very accurate. I feel that for this generation as well of, you know, “I have all of the answers. This is what it is.” and we’ll see how… I mean, it’s going to be different for every person, every embodiment of that sign of Pluto in Sagittarius, but how it applies and how we can stay curious, even, you know, when we think we know it all, what experiences challenge us, challenge our knowledge or challenge the way we think it is. Hopefully, this generation can stay curious and can stay open to their truth being challenged.
April: I’m old enough that I remember really clearly when Pluto went into Sagittarius, and I remember a lot of people expressing great hope about that as they are now about Pluto in Aquarius. “Oh, this is going to be the great, cheerful age.” And I always kind of thought, I don’t think that’s what Pluto really does. So, in Sagittarius, do you think it is any brighter or more truly hopeful than, say, Pluto in Scorpio? Or is it still just, it’s Pluto with a veneer of Sag on top? I don’t really know how to think about it. What do you think?
Anna: I’ve been thinking about this a lot as well, with Pluto moving into Aquarius, of the optimism that people are feeling. And I’m like, I don’t necessarily know if we should have this much optimism when it comes to Pluto. I think it’s something that we all crave and yearn for, especially with it moving out of Capricorn. But, you know, Pluto is death and rebirth, is transformation, is power. It has a lot of potency to it.
And I don’t think what we go through in our Plutonian experiences is ever pleasant. It requires everything of us. You know, I explain it to clients with the very simple explanation of the caterpillar turning into the butterfly, that real metamorphosis process where it’s extremely uncomfortable. It’s oftentimes painful. It’s very crowded. There’s a lot of alchemy happening in this process.
And as Pluto is moving ultimately towards Pisces, and then back around again for the evolution of humans in this case, it is constantly learning and it is kind of a constant death and rebirth. It’s a constant destruction to make space for the new, but it’s never one or the other and then the other, and then…you know, it’s both simultaneously.
So there is always a kind of breakdown, destruction, burning process. And there’s always a building and growing and kind of blossoming that are happening at the same time. I think as Pluto was moving through Scorpio, it was a lot more maybe emphasis on that destruction, on that kind of pulling down and clearing out.
Whereas maybe Sagittarius time, there was a lot more growth and expansion that we could see, but maybe, you know, we didn’t have as much focus on the, the death that was happening. But I think the two are always happening in tandem. We had Pluto move through Capricorn, it was a little bit more emphasis on that structure that needed to come down, that needed to be rebuilt.
So I think it is kind of an ebb and flow through the death and rebirth of Pluto and that it’s never pleasant, it’s never easy. Optimism, it happens naturally, but I don’t know.
April: And maybe at the bottom of it all, I don’t think Pluto.. I’m with you, I don’t think Pluto is ever anything that’s, you know, a walk through scented fields of kittens or something. It’s never that way. That’s not its job. Its job is to get rid of things so that we can build up. But maybe Sagittarius just takes a somewhat more philosophical approach to that.
Anna: I think too, when I think about my generation, I have a younger sister who’s a very philosophical person, which is great to discuss all of life’s woes and wonders with.
We saw, we were, we are a generation that witnessed a lot at a very young age, thanks to the internet, I think, and we saw all of the darkness and all of the fear that kind of surrounds us in modern day. And there was no hiding it, right? We had just come out of Pluto in Scorpio, all of the darkness, all of the fear and challenges were laid right there out on the table for us. And we had a choice to either run away and kind of hide in fear with all of the knowledge that we had. Or we could choose to step up and say, okay, this is our fate. This is what it is. And we’re going to choose to continue to be joyful, to find happiness, to have a reason to move forward and create art and create meaningful lives.
You know, and I think that ultimately is still the journey from Scorpio into Sagittarius is, okay, we’ve seen the darkness, we’ve seen the shadows and all that there is, and we have the choice to run away or we have the choice to take all of that and continue journeying for that.
April: Is there anything else you can think of that you would really love to share about Pluto and Sagittarius?
Anna: Yeah, let me think. I have, there’s something cooking up in my brain. Pluto in general, it is a generational planet. It’s, it’s the generational planet really and we’re at this moment where we’re having this kind of slow dance into Aquarius. And I just hope maybe for all of your listeners, we can kind of think about Pluto from our lived human experience, right?
Pluto represents the collective and what we do and how we relate to power and how we relate to each other. Because it is the collective planet, it’s been making me really think of us as a collective, as a community at large, and how we are engaging with Pluto, how we are engaging with astrology and our work that will ultimately serve humanity and the collective and not so much our personal power.
I think we’re going to see that shift, too, from Capricorn to Aquarius. And that is my hope, is that we can kind of use this shift, this metaphorical shift, and real shift, from Capricorn into Aquarius of, let’s say, let’s extend our arms to each other and really work together to create the change that we want to see.
Not so much from just a philosophical standpoint, but actually real, on the ground, in your community change. This is, this is the time for it.
April: I can remember that time as Pluto was moving into Sagittarius that globalization became a big thing. And I think the conversation about globalization has almost all been economic, and this goes way beyond that. That goes to what is the world culture that we want to be participating in? Do we want to live in an economy or do we want to live in a society? How can we work together to make that happen?
Anna: Yeah, and I think as Pluto continues its journey through Aquarius into Pisces and beyond, we will be challenged to what we accept as reality, and I think our possibilities in even more of like a spiritual realm are going to be very challenged and very expanded, and how we can stay open and stay curious and stay sensitive to things beyond our scope of reality being possible and the potential that that holds, with the power of Pluto being that death and rebirth, that constant dance of destruction and rebuilding and how we kind of are eventually moving towards our greater evolution.
April: I love all of that. And I thought of a question I wish I’d asked everybody, but I didn’t, but I will ask it of you. What is a preconception or a misconception that you think people have of your generation, especially in astrology?
Anna: Oh, this is a good question, April. I think there is this misconception of my generation, and I think it kind of relates to social media and its presence within our lives, that we perhaps lack a depth or there’s just such an urge for instant gratification, instant satisfaction. That is really present with, you know, social media being so in our lives and how quickly we move through things, but, and you know, I am so at the beginning of this generation that I like get to kind of witness it from my end and see it kind of portrayed through younger people, but I’m really amazed by … this generation, this Pluto in Sagittarius, is a generation to adapt and pick up information and nuance and work with what we’ve got, not taking things at face value and really investigating, “What does this mean? What does this mean for me? How can I apply it to me? And how can I improve on a system that is outdated?”
April: Thank you. And thank you for this conversation. And I’ve so enjoyed meeting you and speaking with you. I think people are going to love to hear what you have to say.
Anna: Amazing. Thank you so much again, April. It’s been a pleasure.
April: I hope you enjoyed this interview. Anna impressed me so much with her poise and thoughtfulness. And like all the other astrologers interviewed for this series, she gives me hope that the Pluto and Sagittarius generation will take us far.
Wrap-Up
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