TRANSCRIPT Episode 362
Podathon Day #5: Relationships in Your Chart, with Dorothy Oja!
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Hello, invisible friend. April here, and the date today is September 11th, 2026. Welcome to Episode 362 and the final day of the 7th Annual Big Sky Astrology Podathon!
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Today’s Astrology
In this week’s special daily episodes, I’ve been interviewing some of my colleagues about how they might go about answering some of my clients’ most asked about topics. And our final interview today is with Dorothy Oja, who talks about relationships in the birth chart, a very popular topic. But first, let’s take a moment to look at today’s planetary news.
Today is relatively uneventful in the sky, but this weekend brings three aspects involving Mercury: A trine to Pluto on Saturday, September 12th at 8:59 AM, an opposition to Neptune on the same day at 9:37 AM, and a trine to Uranus on Sunday, September 13th at 7:39 PM.
When Mercury is busy, so are we. And the trines to Pluto and Uranus favor deep thinking and analytical work, but also things that we haven’t necessarily worked on before. Uranus is a planet of innovation, and when it is in combination with Mercury, this can bring new ideas and breakthroughs.
In between those two trines, an opposition to Neptune less than an hour after the Pluto aspect can have the effect of unmooring us from our regular thinking, washing away ideas that have outlived their usefulness and are no longer really helping us.
Think of Pluto as a jackhammer that breaks through old thinking, and Neptune as washing away the rubble, so that by the time the aspect to Uranus comes along on Sunday evening, we are ready for a new plan.
Interview with Dorothy Oja: Relationship Astrology
As you know, during this Podathon week, I’ve been bringing you interviews with five of my colleagues, each of whom have told us how they might approach clients’ most-asked questions on particular topics. Today, my last interview in this series is with the lovely Dorothy Oja, who shares her thoughts on using astrology to understand your relationships. Dorothy is a true expert in this topic, and I know you’re gonna love hearing what she has to say.
Dorothy is a certified astrologer, international lecturer, writer, and teacher. She’s on the faculty of Kepler College and the International Academy of Astrology. She’s the author of Planetary Resonance: Everything Leaves a Trace, and she wrote the Marriage & Romance and Business & Friends reports for Cosmic Pattern Software.
For 27 years, her news magazine, Planet Weather, has hosted social and political commentary. You can find it at dorothyoja.substack.com. Dorothy is the past chair of AFAN’s Legal Information Committee and has served as the Chair of Ethics and the developer of the Ethics Awareness Training for ISAR. She consults on surgery elections and on relationships, specializing in the Davison chart, and her book on the Davison relationship chart is currently in progress. You can reach her at doja07@gmail.com, on Facebook as Dorothy Oja Astrology, Instagram @ojaastrology, and on X @ojaDorothy. Here is our conversation.
Dorothy, thank you so much for joining me today and for speaking to my audience about relationship astrology. When I decided to do this week-long series for my little podathon I do every year, I thought, “Wouldn’t it be great to have people who specialize in some of the questions that I get most often from clients?”
And relationships is right up there. And not just romantic relationships, although of course that’s very important, but their relationships with their children, and their parents, and their siblings, and all of this. So I know you’ve worked a lot with relationships over the years, and I know that you have worked a lot with the Davison comparison chart, which is wonderful, and the composite chart. So I hope we get a chance to talk about those.
But if you get someone who is coming to you, I always have people fill out a questionnaire, and if they are asking about relationships, I’ll tell them, “Well, I don’t really do relationship astrology per se, but I can speak generally about your chart and relationship.” What kinds of things, if somebody comes to you and they’re just saying, “Yeah, I wanna talk about relationships,” what are the main things you’re gonna start out with in looking at their chart?
Dorothy: First of all, I wanna thank you for inviting me. I really am really happy to be here. So the, the first thing to understand about relationship astrology is that you have to look at the natal chart for your personal capacity for relationship.
What is your personal kind of dynamic? How do you naturally relate to other people? Are there difficult aspects to your 7th house, your Venus, your Moon, you know, your Mercury? I mean, how do you relate to people? So that’s always the first thing, is to study that, and to understand what your values are with Venus, but particularly what, you know, what’s really, really important to you? Because someone else is gonna have to match that importance, that value that is an overriding value.
You may not even know all of that immediately. You may have to think about it. You know, well, what’s really important to me in living my life or in relating to another person? What do I value? Is it truth? Is it fun? Is it honesty? Is it communication? Is it empathy? What is it? So that’s the first thing. You have to understand your own dynamic and capacity for how you relate with other people.
April: And you mentioned Venus, and I would imagine maybe the 7th house, and the Moon. Isn’t the Moon so important in relationships?
Dorothy: Very, because it’s your ability to respond to other people
and how you want them to respond to you. So very important. You know, a lot of relationships, you know, they start with a spark. They start with romantic relationships. They start with, “Wow, I’m really attracted to this person.”
And that like is the overriding quality initially. But you have to be able to respond emotionally to each other. If that’s not there, if the person can’t empathize with you, that’s gonna be problematic. Or if you can’t really communicate, if someone can’t hear you or doesn’t wanna listen, you know, that’s gonna be a problem
April: It is, and you’re so right about that spark, especially in romance and romantic relationships, and it can almost blind you to everything else.
Dorothy: That’s right.
April: And yeah, it’s only over time, I guess, when you spend some time with somebody and see, is there compatibility there once all that electrical chemistry dies down a little bit?
Dorothy: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so that’s the first thing.
You know, there are three stages in relationship astrology as far as I’m concerned. It’s that capacity for a relationship, looking at your own chart, understanding yourself and what you’re bringing to the table, right? What do you have to give? Everyone is saying, “Oh, I want this. I want that. He has to be, uh, six feet tall, you know. He has to make 100K or more, you know.” But what are you bringing to the relationship? Because it’s, it’s teamwork. Eventually, you have to think of yourself as a team, not as an adversarial situation, which often it devolves into that when you fight, and then you become adversaries, and you forget that you’re actually a team.
So that, the capacity for a relationship, is first. Then there’s synastry, which is comparing your planets to the planets of the other person, usually done on a double wheel. You’ll see, where are the tightest connections? You know, do you have a Mars-Venus connection? Do you have a Moon-Jupiter? You know, what are the connections?
The two planets that are gonna show the most favor will be Venus and Jupiter. They’re the benefics. So if you have really nice aspects between the charts, of Venus and Jupiter, there’s gonna be a lot of affection there. That’s where you’re gonna look for ease. That’s where you’re gonna look for the ability to make up when you have a fight, if you have a tough Mars or if you have a tough Saturn aspect between the charts or something like that, or Neptune, where you’re not understanding each other. So that’s the second part.
And the third and final part is the composite or the Davison charts, which are called combined charts. So they’re essentially midpoint charts where you… There are two different ways to do it, but where you combine the two charts and you create a third chart, which then becomes the chart of the relationship, or I like to call it the birthday chart of the relationship, in the Davison chart especially. Because in the Davison, what you’re doing is you’re finding the midpoint of the date of birth, the time of birth, and the city and state of birth. So you actually get a whole chart
April: A whole chart, as opposed to the composite chart, which is still really powerful, but it’s used a little differently, I think, because of that.
Dorothy: Exactly. In the composite, you’re doing the midpoint between the planets, like the middle point between the Suns, the Moons, Venuses, Mercuries, et cetera.
So it’s different, and they both work in their own way. I just prefer the Davison because it looks exactly like a natal chart. So that means you can progress it, you can do solar returns, you can do everything that you normally would do with a natal chart. So that’s why I prefer that one.
But it’s an exciting chart because it really shows the dynamics. You can’t quite see those dynamics in the same way when you’re doing the synastry, where you’re comparing the two charts to each other planet-wise, you know, where the connections are between the planets. You know, because you’re getting the, what I call, the chemistry or the alchemy of the energies. That’s what you’re getting in the Davison chart. It’s very, very exciting to see that.
An interesting little anomaly is that the date that is derived from the Davison often is a significant date for the couple. Not always, not always, but enough times, you know, for me to mention it. So it shows the power of midpoints. You know, that, that middle point between two planets has a real strong, powerful resonance.
April: And those are difficult things, as you say, to see in the synastry chart. You can do it, but they’re not gonna jump out at you necessarily in the same way. With synastry, in trying to do synastry- I always struggled with it, first of all, because it’s kind of complicated! You’re working with two full charts, you’re finding how they’re interacting. But also, the things that you would think would be most difficult often end up being the backbone of the relationship. And the easy synastry points are not necessarily as universally perfect as you would think.
Dorothy: Exactly. I think this is a fallacy that needs to really be explored in astrology, that squares and oppositions are bad and sextiles and trines are good. No, not always.
April: No, not at all. It depends on the planets involved, too. I mean, do you want a good aspect between Venus and Pluto? Well, maybe it’s better than a difficult aspect, but it’s still Pluto.
Dorothy: It’s still obsessive. Yeah,
April: Exactly. Is it gonna be a little easier or a little more difficult? It’s, it’s really-
Dorothy: Or easier to stay in an obsessive relationship or a jealous relationship, in the case of Pluto. Sometimes trines make things easier, for good or for ill …
April: And I always say if you have a trine or a sextile between two difficult planets, like as we’re recording this today, we have these aspects coming up between Neptune and Pluto, and Uranus and Pluto, and stuff like that. They’re nice aspects. But do you want two bad guys in a story to just have no impediments between them? Everything just goes smoothly.
Dorothy: Yeah, exactly.
April: Yeah. So it depends on the planets.
Dorothy: Yeah, it can make cracking the safe a lot easier, yeah.
April: It can indeed. So what’s an example, would you say, if you’re looking at synastry between two charts, and let’s say you see an aspect between Saturn and the Moon, or Saturn and Venus … Which a lot of people… Boy, I’ll tell you, when I used to do a lot of choosing wedding dates for astrology, which I don’t do anymore, it’s like people wanted to just not even have Saturn at the wedding at all. They didn’t want him in the chart. They didn’t want their charts to be getting any aspects. So if you could talk to me a little bit about the role of Saturn in relationships.
Dorothy: The role of Saturn is so important in relationships. It’s the glue that holds you together. It represents trust. It represents consistency. It represents history, the history that you make together. And oftentimes, when there is a strong Saturn aspect, you feel like you’ve known this person before, that there’s something there, or the person has something to teach you, or you have something to teach them. So, I mean, hard Saturn aspects can mean there will be challenges, but there are gonna be challenges anyway in life, and we’re not gonna get out. We can’t use astrology to try to get out of all the challenges that life has to offer. It’s not possible.
April: Right. It didn’t work that way. We’ve tried. No. It doesn’t work that way.
Dorothy: So if you have a challenging Saturn aspect, yeah, you’re gonna have some things to work out, and you can get stronger. It can make you stronger, bond you more, or it can pull you apart and can say, “Okay, well, I can’t do this.” So it’s one or the other. You know, you either commit or, “I can’t commit to this.” You know, Saturn is about commitment, but it’s also about trust. You need Saturn. If you want a long-term relationship, you want some good Saturn aspects in there.
April: Right. Well, and I guess it’s the planet of boundaries, too, come to that, and that’s a big part of a successful relationship as well. The things that Saturn touches in your chart, it’s like it’s an opportunity to grow specifically in that area. And it doesn’t necessarily feel good because growth doesn’t always feel good.
But I think if you’ve got a nice balance of challenging aspects and easy ones. Don’t you think? Like, you mentioned Venus and Jupiter, which I’d never really thought about it, but it makes a lot of sense, a nice place to fall in the chart. While coping with Saturn and whatever hard planets are dealing with Venus or the Moon or whatever.
Dorothy: Exactly. You know, what I like to say is that there is always an antidote. If you have a problematic aspect, you know, you talk about how to deal with it, how it’s likely to manifest, you know, how you can work with it. And then you look for the nice Jupiter and Venus aspects because those will bring you back to harmony, to affection, to expression, to heart energy.
And you want those because you wanna actually like the person that you’re with, right? And the liking aspects are Venus and Jupiter. I like this person, you know? Yeah, sure, we struggle sometimes and we fight and we have differences of opinion, but I really like this person.
April: So you use synastry, comparing the two charts together, you will tend to use the Davison chart a little more than the composite chart. I used to actually really like the composite chart when I was doing wedding dates because I didn’t always have the luxury of taking their charts fully into consideration with the date because the date itself had to be sound.
And depending on how much time we were dealing with, maybe we could make that work with their charts, and maybe there would have to be some adjustment. But the composite chart was so valuable and helpful, because it’s one simple chart, and the main features between them really pop out.
Dorothy: So what’s interesting about the two charts is that you are going to get some similarities. And it’s so interesting when you compare the two. You’re likely to get, like, a number of planets in the opposite sign. So you might get a Sun in Virgo, and then in, in the other chart you get a Sun in Pisces. And that can happen with Venus and Mercury possibly as well, or the Ascendants or the Midheavens. It’s an interesting anomaly. I, I can’t explain it scientifically, but it happens. And the takeaway from that is how important it is to understand oppositions.
So oppositions, there’s always going to be a little Libra in every Aries, and there’s always going to be a little Aries in every Libra, right? Because it’s the opposite sign. They work together. And that happens with every pair of signs. So if you’re struggling in, if you have a stellium, say, in Aries or something, the antidote would be to go to the Libra side, you know, in your chart, and that will help balance out the excesses that you’re feeling or the struggles that you’re feeling in the Aries part.
So that’s what that teaches you when you look at the two charts and you see, wow, you know, I thought our Sun was in Pisces and, and now I’m looking at this other chart, and it says our Sun is in Virgo. That doesn’t make any sense. Well, actually, it does make a lot of sense. It means that this is the arena where you have to find more balance.
April: Right. Yeah, it’s so odd to me that the opposition is considered a difficult aspect. My teacher used to say, “Planets that are in opposition to each other are headed towards the same point. They’re just coming at it from opposite sides.”
Dorothy: Nice. Yes, nicely put. Yes, I like that. Yeah, they have to consider the other pole because it’s alway- it’s like a phantom, you know, point. Even if you don’t have planets there, it’s still operating.
April: Yes. And you see that every time a transit or something comes by and hits that point.
Dorothy: So it’s so important to consider those oppositions and those places that are not occupied by planets.
April: Now, as we were starting out, you were pointing out how important it is to look at your own chart and your capacity for relationship. What are the kinds of things… I’m thinking, for example, if somebody has something in their chart that is a real scourge, a real difficult aspect that gives them a lot of problems. Do you think they’re more likely to connect in relationship with people who have planets that are triggering that point, or…?
Dorothy: That’s a really, really good question because one of the things that I’ve seen in synastry, you know, it really depends on where you are in your evolvement and your consciousness. Have you done some inner work, et cetera? A lot of times someone will trigger, say, if you have a difficult stellium or a difficult aspect, someone else’s planet will be there, and then that person will help you, if you allow them to, to help…
April: It’s a big if. Yeah …
Dorothy: …to work that out or to help you to understand better how you react in that aspect So yes, it happens a lot. It really does because relationships are the best way that we learn in life. Everything in life is relationship, everything. How you relate to your, your home, your dog, your cat, your job, your neighbor, the postal worker.
I mean, everything is relationship. You’re relating every single day. And, you know, sometimes you’re gonna get irritated, and how do you deal with that? How do you work, how do you work that through? You know, so I think relationships essentially are about choice. You make a choice in the moment. You may make a bad choice. You may have some bad words. You may lose your temper. Right? But these are choices, and then what do you do about that? You know, do you try to get back to remembering that you’re a partnership, and do you try to get back to harmony? Or what do you do when you lose it or when they lose it? How do you get back together again?
Those things are important to understand about yourself before you get into a relationship. You know, you also want to be ready for a relationship. Some people want a relationship, but internally, they’re not really ready, and so you, you have to work with yourself to be ready.
People put up barriers to relating a lot of times, you know.
April: That is really true.
Dorothy: Yeah. So you, you want an open heart. You want… You know, people have sometimes carry a chip on their shoulder. You know, they have resentments from past relationships. That has to be worked out before you can bring someone else into your life, for instance.
April: That’s so true. You have to be ready, and only you can really know when you’re ready. That a state of maturity and of having looked at your own stuff is essential.
Dorothy: Right. Astrology by itself isn’t going to do it for you, but it will do it with you. It will do it wonderfully with you, but you have to do some inner work as well if you want a really good relationship, especially if you’ve had a difficult relationship with the first indicators for relationship, your parents.
April: A friend of mine, Dana Gerhardt, used to call that the marriage myth. She would look at the Sun and Moon in your chart and say, “That is what your parents were showing you.” And that is a big story. It can tell you a lot.
Dorothy: Yes. It’s a huge story. It’s a huge story, but it’s not the final story. You have to create your own story, a new story based on the wisdom of the old story. You know? And even if you’ve had a difficult story with your parents, you can still derive wisdom or compassion or empathy. It sensitizes you to the things that are really important and the things that you want to avoid.
April: Yeah, that’s very true. I think the things that people overlook to me the most in relationship astrology are the Sun and Moon. And Mars. And Mars to me is the unsung relationship planet. It, just going through relationship astrology over the years and looking at, you know, the wedding charts and things like that, I was always amazed how influential Mars was, especially when people got together. And I think Mars is that impetus, the passion, the excitement about the other person.
Dorothy: Yes, the drive, the drive, the action. Right. That’s where the action is.
April: I must have this person at all costs! Yeah.
Dorothy: Yeah. Mars is always the spark, and then when you actually do a Davison or composite chart, you want to focus a lot on the five basic planets of personality, Sun, Moon, Venus, Mercury, and Mars.
And then see how they’re connected to the outer planets, you know? But you really want to understand those five because those are your everyday planets, right? Like, the rhythm of your day is the Moon. What’s gonna be comfortable for you? A difficult aspect can be the Moons in hard aspect because timing could be off.
But everything can be worked with if you want to, you know? It’s about understanding each other, not having it your way all the time. It’s about trying to understand the position of the other person. That’s the teamwork part of it. You know, the Moon is important because that is your daily emotional rhythm. And if someone can’t understand you or can’t empathize with what you’re going through, that’s, that’s a pretty big red flag, yeah.
April: It is, because all the goodwill in the world and all the good intentions in the world can still… things like that can still be difficult to overcome. Unless, as you said, there are other aspects that balance it and a general sense of goodwill, but I always told people, you know, your wedding date, for example, is not gonna make or break your marriage. The best chart isn’t gonna make it work. The worst chart isn’t gonna make it fail. It’s that you want it. And if you want it, you can make almost anything work.
Dorothy: Yes. Except, you know, the caveat is always abuse.
April: Oh, of course.
Dorothy: Always. Yeah, I mean, we don’t even really have to say that, but, you know, verbal or physical abuse, that, that’s a no-brainer. You know, there’s no tolerance for that. None.
April: So it’s, first choose well, choose wisely to the best of your ability. You know? And, yeah, then astrology really can help because it can say, “Okay, here’s the problem spot. How do we work with that?”
Dorothy: Exactly. And work, work on yourself. Work on your patience, your tolerance, your understanding, and always think of your relationship as being a part of a team. You’re not adversaries. You’re together. You’re… you have the same goals if you’re in a relationship. You know, you should identify what those goals are pretty early on so there’s no misunderstanding.
They can change over time, but, you know, if you’re working on the same goal, then you’re a team, right?
April: Well, I like that word because it fits with the idea of the opposition aspect. You can be adversaries with the seventh house and the opposition, or you can be a team. Yeah.
Dorothy: I mean, there are gonna be disagreements, but a team works out the disagreements. And, and it’s got to work for both people, not just for one.
April: It’s good to remind our fire sign friends, you know? Teamwork’s important!
Dorothy: It’s gotta be fair.
April: Well, is there anything else that you want to share with us that we haven’t talked about already?
Dorothy: Yeah, I think my, my main theme I wanted to relay was being part of a team and the teamwork, and being in a relationship is a choice. You choose. You choose how you wanna respond. And then the other important thing is you have to do your own inner work.
And astrology can’t do that for you. You have to work with your issues and relationship and your past history and, and your parental… You have to work with that if you wanna have a successful partnership. You have to figure that out. So some good therapy if you’ve had very, very difficult, relationships in the past, and parental relationships, is really important.
April: Dorothy, where can people find you, and what do you have coming up that we should know about?
Dorothy: Ah. Well, you know, I’m doing a l- most of my writing now is on Substack. I can send you that link, Dorothy Osha Astrology. And I’m also on Facebook. I’ll send you all those links.
April: Please. Yeah. And we’ll put that in the show notes for listeners.
Dorothy: And Instagram, you know. So I do daily writing on those platforms, and then I usually, I publish one article a week on Substack. They’re lengthier. They take more research.
April: Well, and you will be at UAC.
Dorothy: Yes. And you too, right?
April: Yes! Wonderful. What are you speaking on?
Dorothy: I will be speaking on the Davison chart.
April: Great. I really encourage anybody who’s gonna be there and gets a chance to hear that lecture to check it out because it… a lot of people know about the composite chart but aren’t as familiar with the Davison chart, and it’s really, really interesting, and Dorothy’s quite an expert in it.
Wonderful. Well, I hope to see you in Chicago.
Dorothy: Yes. I’m looking forward to it, April. Again, thank you so much for inviting me. I loved it.
April: You are so welcome. It was a real treat to have you.
April: Dorothy is such a goddess of relationship astrology, and it was a real pleasure to share her thoughts with you. If you are fascinated by what your chart shows about your relationships, you might consider enrolling in a course she has going at Kepler College beginning on September 24th, and the topic is “Illuminating Relationships: Natal Promise and Synastry.” We’ll put a link to that in the show description
It’s a Wrap!
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